israel and the united states keep them alive, basically. they don't want them to starve to death, but their life is set up so that you cannot have a dignified decent life. one of the words your most often is "dignity." they would like to have dignified lives. the standard is really position is they should not raise their heads. it is a pressure cooker that could blow up. people cannot live like that forever. >> you describe it in a piece he wrote as an open air prison. >> it is an open-air prison. people have been in jail [indiscernible] the overwhelming feeling everyone gets is someone else is in total control. there is an arbitrary authority who can control anything you do -- stand up, sit down, find something to eat, go to the bathroom you cannot do anything, they all determinate. people find ways to adapt, but it is just -- it is constant subjugation to an external force, which has no purpose except to humiliate you. of course, they have pretext. everybody has pretext. >> this is the first time you were there, though you have written ab